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10 November 2004 @ 11:38 am
You know how I said I'm staying to fight? Well, I am. But.

I want to go to Canada.

Not to escape the US. But to be in Canada.

Salaries are lower in my field, but cost of living is lower. They're actively looking for immigrants, esp. in the IT field (which is Rob's area, not mine, but still). The country's values are in line with mine. And quality of life looks a hell of a lot better.

Yeah, it's cold. I'm looking at New Brunswick, where today's forecast is in the low 30s. But it's November, dudes. It's right by Maine, so it's no colder than it is in parts of the US. And in summer... my God. I've seen pictures. It's stunning.

Add to that the thought of what the US South is going to feel like in forty years when global warming's raised the average temperature, and Canada starts looking downright pleasant.

Less traffic. Health care. My God, if I decided to adopt children, I could, because their health care would be paid for, their schools would be paid for, and their college would be cheap.

As a short-term plan, it doesn't fly so much, since Rob's still in school and we're not done fixing up the house yet. But in two years, maybe. After I've gone to French review classes (starting in January), and am reasonably fluent, thus increasing my job chances. After Rob's graduated and has his BS, along with eight years professional experience. After we've saved up some money, although selling our house will net us HUGE cash, since its value has increased about $150,000 since we bought it.

I really, really like this idea. I'm going to hang on to it and not get distracted by thoughts of moving down south or to Wisconsin. I mean, my God, look at this. $200,000 American. We could live here, retire here, without fear of Social Security running out, without fear of violence or attacks.

I want to go now. Can't go now. But ohhhhhhh, I want to be there.
Fenrissfenriss on November 10th, 2004 09:14 am (UTC)
Sigh. Can I come with you? O, Canadaaaa...
Elle: Red right handtheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:11 am (UTC)
Darlin, we would LOVE you and Eric to come with us. Commune time!!

I totally bet we could do it. You can do massage therapy, and Eric can do just about anything. I have yet to see something he can't do. :)

The four of us on 38 acres? Think of it. We each pay $100,000 and move into the house together until we can pay for a new house to be built on the property. Then we each have our own. As we lure freaks up to live with us, they can buy into the community and have their own houses. OMG, I think I just gave myself an orgasm.

Think of the Beltanes we'd have. Think of the community we'd have. What a wonderful place to live, to raise children. Why couldn't we? Why can't we take that big step to make something wonderful happen? Why not chase the dream?
Fenrissfenriss on November 10th, 2004 01:05 pm (UTC)
I have to admit, as soon as I looked at that picture I thought of Beltane, and other festivals. Wow. That's really my dream. I live way out in the country in a hot *second* if I thought I could drag a bunch of the folks I love with me.

Don't know, though. Do you think we could talk the boys into it?

Elle: In this silence I am freetheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 01:39 pm (UTC)
Rob could be talked into it, especially if you and Eric were along. Once he finishes school, anyway. If he could get a good job, and have a gorgeous house? Heck yeah. Friends would be the only thing he'd be worried about, and if we imported those... :)

As for Eric, the big snag there is his mom. If he doesn't want to move to Maryland, he really won't want to move to Canada.

Although... bring her along! Plenty of room for everyone!
And The Clocks Were Striking Thirteen: Ooo I Want That_redpanda_ on November 10th, 2004 09:22 am (UTC)
*nods* We're hunting around Washington state ourselves. It's close enough to bolt if necessary. :)
Elle: Captain Jack triumphanttheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:27 am (UTC)
*nods* Or you could come join our commune...
Maureen Lycaonmaureenlycaon on November 10th, 2004 02:53 pm (UTC)
It appears as though you're thinking along similiar lines as I am. *shudder*
can't think of a namectoan on November 10th, 2004 09:32 am (UTC)
New Brunswick? That's, like, right next door to me. (I'm in Nova Scotia). It is nice up here. And French is sort of important, I guess, if you're in New Brunswick, as it's more bilingual, but I don't think it's entirely necessary.
Elle: Adam Brody EEEEEEEE!theletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:15 am (UTC)
Really? Oh, SQUEE! :) Okay, I need to ask you about all things Canadian, and about how possible this might be, because the more I think about it, the more I want to do it. Can you email me at cereselle@livejournal?

French isn't absolutely necessary, but in the job postings I've seen, it ranges from a plus to required. (Okay, the required job was in Ottowa, but still.) It can't hurt, and I've studied it before. I just need a refresher year, and then a year of advanced study. Besides, it's something I keep meaning to do, so why not now? :)

I think Rob and I need to make a trip up to the Maritimes next summer. We'd planned to go for our honeymoon, but Paris called... :)
Doe-eyed Bunnydoeeyedbunny on November 10th, 2004 10:10 am (UTC)
38 acres?! What would you do with that much land?
Elle: Soulfultheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:16 am (UTC)
Hippie answer: Commune time! :)

RL answer: Hang onto it until global warming really starts to kick in and that area suddenly becomes desirable. Sell to developers for millions. Retire. :)
Doe-eyed Bunnydoeeyedbunny on November 10th, 2004 10:27 am (UTC)
So no raising livestock huh? I hear llamas are a good investment...

Btw, love the icon! That's Christian Bale, right?
Elle: Watery thoughttheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:33 am (UTC)
Raising livestock would be work. :) And it's work I have no idea how to do. I wonder if there's "Raising Llamas for Dummies?" :)

What does one do with llamas, anyway? Shear them? Eat them? Ride them?

Yes, that's Christian in the icon. Here's another. :) I have a slew of Bale icons. He poses for such interesting pictures, and he's so PRETTY. Not to mention a great actor. I've been a fan of his since I saw Empire of the Sun in the theater when I was 13. He's also the hand in the Red Right Hand icon above. :)
Doe-eyed Bunnydoeeyedbunny on November 10th, 2004 11:11 am (UTC)
What does one do with llamas, anyway? Shear them? Eat them? Ride them?

Shear them. Their wool is very valuable (warmer, softer and lighter than sheep wool) and there is also a moratorium on importing llamas, so the llamas themselves are also valuable (esp males).
Tyellastyellas on November 10th, 2004 11:32 am (UTC)
Er, no offense, but I think you're talking about alpacas when it comes to shearing them and making lots of money off their wool. I've got friends who raise both alpacas and llamas. Llama wool isn't as valuable or profuse as alpaca wool; the animals are fairly closely related. Llamas help the psychological stability of an alpaca herd by their presence (long story) and are used for trekking. A few people ride llamas, but alpacas are shorter.
Doe-eyed Bunnydoeeyedbunny on November 10th, 2004 11:43 am (UTC)
Eeep, you're right. I meant alpacas :)
Tyellastyellas on November 10th, 2004 10:13 am (UTC)
I recommend that you start going on scouting trips, to see where in Canada you want to settle. (And even I have to admit that you can get 4 scouting trips to Canada for the price of one scouting trip to New Zealand.)
Elle: Spiderweb beautytheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:25 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, right now we have no money or vacation time to go anywhere. Besides, Rob is generally the less enthusiastic of the two of us, so I want our first visit to be when everything is gorgeous and warm. We may be able to manage it this summer. Hopefully then I can convince him this is an idea worth pursuing.

I'm leaning toward the Maritime provinces for several reasons.

A) I've always (except for a few years when I was very small) lived on the East Coast. It doesn't seem like as big a jump as moving to, say, Ottawa. I mean, NB is right beside Maine, y'know? And I have family in Maine. It's not the leap that moving to NZ is. :)

B) Ontario is either in the process of or has just instituted a pit bull ban. I am NOT moving anywhere where my baby girl is outlawed. Still less am I leaving her behind. So, no Toronto, and Ottawa's really not an option either.

C) Saskatchewan? Alberta? Mmmmm, no. :)

D) BC, I adore. But Vancouver's more expensive than St. John or Moncton, and it's across the continent from my family.

E) Anne of Green Gables. I can't help it. :) To be that close to PEI? *loooooooooves*

F) I understand the climate is milder in the Maritimes than it is further inland. ctoan, can you confirm or deny?
Dana: david princessthirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 10:27 am (UTC)
*peek* Can I come with? *looks cute and fluffy*

Oh, and hey, did you get your package?
Elle: Heya buddy...theletterelle on November 10th, 2004 10:36 am (UTC)
Prom Dress Wenham! BWAH!! :)

Sure, come on up. I'd love to transport my own community. :)

*facepalms* I got the package days ago, when I was rushing in and rushing out again, so I set it on the table and completely forgot it was there. Haven't opened it yet. I will tonight. Thank you, darlin. *loves*
Dana: chris punk (star_dragon)thirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 10:39 am (UTC)
LOL, I love that pic... Oh, and pick up this month's People *G* It has a short interview with Ben in it :)

And you're welcome, just don't smack me when you see what it is *G*

*loves back*
Elle: Mini-Crowetheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 01:41 pm (UTC)
I saw. I read it in line at the checkout stand. :) How adorable is it that he went with his PARENTS to China?

*loves her Ben*
Danathirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 01:45 pm (UTC)
*giggles* It is pretty adorable :)

Dana: daveythirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 11:46 am (UTC)
Oh, and new icon for you. I get bored easily when I have the day off, so I make icons :)

The text is from the last song you have listed as music in your journal, LOL :)
Elle: Ben is just so prettytheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 01:42 pm (UTC)

Oh man, that's PERFECT. *puts album on*
Dana: hello (i_cracked)thirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 01:48 pm (UTC)
Hee :) Glad you like it :)

Mearimeari on November 10th, 2004 10:40 am (UTC)
we havne't really been looking into living in canada.. but with my health problems.. it might be cheaper.

But many countries aren't hiring foreign teachers.... and hubby has a nice degree... but no expierence. Looks like we're stuck here.
Elle: I created my own prisontheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC)
I dunno, check out job postings in Canada. I found that there are more than I thought in libraries. :)
Mearimeari on November 10th, 2004 04:16 pm (UTC)
I guess I could. but I htink I need to get a job HERE first. I can't seem to do that. *frowns*
Music is my radar: vote for billie joe (remy)feels_like_fire on November 10th, 2004 10:53 am (UTC)
Durnit, I wasn't the least bit interested in moving to Canada, and now you have me percolating. >.> Rargh. AT WORST I CAN VISIT YOU ALL!! BWAHAHAHAHA! *runs*
Dana: chris punk (star_dragon)thirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 11:13 am (UTC)
Uh... Doesn't "percolating" mean "making coffee"?

Music is my radarfeels_like_fire on November 10th, 2004 11:15 am (UTC)
*G* That's the general usage, but it's also used to express when an idea is sort of...stewing in someone's head. In the process. Being made and/or worked out. Etc etc etc.

Hee. *puts on English Nerd glasses*
Danathirdsouthobbi on November 10th, 2004 11:16 am (UTC)
Ah, see, I didn't know that. :)


Hey, if you can get on Aim for a minute, can you please ping me so we don't clutter up this post? *loves*
Maureen Lycaon: ranger of the southmaureenlycaon on November 10th, 2004 03:07 pm (UTC)
If you're serious, a couple of tips:

1. Start working right now to accumulate a hefty hunk of cash for the move. Canada likes you to have at least six months of saved-up living expenses in case you don't get a job right away, on top of the $1500 you'll pay in immigration fees.

2. Look back through thewerewolf's LJ; he often posts about Canada and Canadian politics, and recently put up an entry with a buttload of links about immigrating into Canada.
Elle: You'll be given lovetheletterelle on November 10th, 2004 03:26 pm (UTC)
GORGEOUS icon. :)

I'm definitely going to be saving, which I should do anyway. At worst I can empty my 401k and take the penalties. They require $10,000 Canadian each, which should be doable over a period of 2 years. As it is, though, I don't think we'd move until at least one of us had a job offer. I'd hate to buy a place and then get a job two hours away...

Thanks for the LJ tip! I'll friend him.
Maureen Lycaonmaureenlycaon on November 10th, 2004 07:40 pm (UTC)
Not of my own making, alas. I can't remember the name of the person I got it from.

And yeah, I would definitely get a job offer first. I think that wins you more points as well, which makes them more likely to accept your application.
Black Opalblack_opal on November 11th, 2004 04:49 pm (UTC)
In reference to a request on another thread in another journal...
*sidles in*
*sidles out*