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20 June 2006 @ 05:29 pm

Touched base with the job possibilities. In order:

Government contractor: "I did a budget request and found we're over budget for the year, so we may not be able to do the position after all. I hope you have other possibilities."

Law firm (client research): "I'm really busy. The position is still in the conceptual stage. Whenever I get to it, I'll call your temp service."

Temp service: "You're on the list. We'll call once something comes up."


I have been looking for a job for two years. I don't understand why I can't get hired. I am getting to the end of my rope. Today I went out to lunch with my mom, and all I could do was cry about what a loser I am.

I applied for nine jobs at the government contractor today. Because fuck, what the hell.

They're not going to hire me.

No one is going to hire me.
Mary Lewys: Kissmlewys on June 20th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC)
*BIG BIG HUG* Baby, I completely understand what you're going through. I worked for seven years in Michigan and then moved.

I had to start all over. Hell, the longest I've held a job here is one year and one month. And every time, well, except on, I was let go because of other issues. It wasn't my work at all. I received letters of recommendation, but I was still shown the door.

It's not you, sweetie. You're not a looser. You look for work, you call people, you apply - that's all you can do. And that's a lot more than most people do!

You worked one temp job - and that's something! That's good. You'll get more.

Look, next month, we'll be unemployed together! If you want, I can loan you my resume books. There'll probably not be terribly helpful, but there's some good information in there.
Elle: I want to go hometheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 01:44 am (UTC)
It's just fucking insane, y'know? I mean, we are GOOD at stuff. And if we'd tried to get jobs down here BEFORE we moved, no one would have hired us because no one would believe that we really intended to move. (Because apparently we just apply to jobs all over the country for fun.) Or they would think that we intended to move, but would want relocation assistance. I fucking hate the job market.

Thanks for the resume book offer. I've been going to a career counselor, though, and my resume's in pretty good shape. Everyone who sees it likes it, they just can't get it together to hire me. Or don't have anything available. Or whatever.
Mary Lewys: Swearengenmlewys on June 21st, 2006 02:57 am (UTC)
And if we'd tried to get jobs down here BEFORE we moved, no one would have hired us because no one would believe that we really intended to move.

I know this to be true. I tried applying before moving and received that same reason. And up until 9/11, I had interviews schedule twice a week. After that, I'm lucky if I get an interview once a month.

Part of the problem comes from the current administration. I don't know how it was in the DC area, but in Detroit, we had major industries that drove the local economy. I haven't figured out what the major industry is over here that drives the economy. Sure, if you're a construction worker, you're set. Anything else is up for grabs.

*BIG HUG* It's not you, sweetie. It's not. You're a good person and a hard worker. If someone would give you the chance, you'd show them that. Someone will give you a chance.
Jer: Woobie - Ryanlugonn on June 20th, 2006 10:46 pm (UTC)
Job searches are the worst. They are especially bad if you are currently unemployed because it seems like they automatically assume that you must have a problem if they aren't stealing you away from someone else.
Plus, searching for a job means putting yourself out there over and over and over again saying, "Please, pick me". And when they don't, you feel like the ugly dog at the pound and it really grinds you down. I *hate* job searching. A lot.

I can't believe that no-one has hired you. You're smart, personable, hard-working, you have a decent resume with some awesome scholastic experience. They're freakin' idiots.

Regarding the delays ... that happens. One time I applied for a job. Even after they had an official job announcement posted, it was a full year before they filled the position (I got it). It took them *that* long to get their shit together because they were "too busy" to deal with the paperwork, search, etc. If I hadn't had a job already, I'd have gone mad.

My current job was a problem, too. They hired me on a temporary worker - not to exceed one year. When we were down to about six months, I started asking if they would start the search to hire a permanent replacement since I knew it would take a while. "Yeah, yeah, we'll do it." Time passed. More time passed. Finally about a month before my contract expired they started the search. My contract expired around the time they started getting applications. The HR Director reluctantly extended me for one month. More time passed. People were too busy to evaluate applications, etc. Finally the extra month ended and I was terminated because the HR Director refused to grant another extension. I met with the VP over my department and he guaranteed he'd put a fire under everyone and get me hired back because in a single day he'd gotten multiple complaints from staff about the fact that I wasn't available to them. It took about two more weeks before I came back.

I've only gotten two jobs in my life where I didn't have a connection to someone to give me an "in" to the job. The phrase, "It's not what you know, it's who you know" is so VERY true. And clearly just knowing the wife of someone on the search committee doesn't make you more skilled and doesn't make you a better person, but knowing someone like that gives you a much greater chance of getting the job even if you are a moron. Sad but true.

So, I know it is impossible to NOT take the rejection personally, but it really, really isn't a personal thing in most cases.

Also, if I were in your position, I'd be totally freaking out too. *Hugs*
Elle: Get out before I hurt youtheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 01:48 am (UTC)
I know it's not personal on each individual's part, but when I'm constantly being rejected, it's like... how can this NOT be my fault?

I'm networking like mad, and I have a couple ins, but it's still not happening. And mostly it's for the same reasons as yours; people won't get off their ASSES and get the job process going.

*cries on you*
Jer: Thinkerlugonn on June 21st, 2006 03:51 am (UTC)
I know this is very minor compensation, but jobs where it takes them FOREVER to hire someone are jobs where they have little turnover. The jobs with high turnover they act quickly upon. The jobs that they are so slow about are often jobs where they think, "We really need to do this right because this person will be with us for a long, long time."

I don't believe it is personal cuz you're awesome and they'd be idiots to reject you if they knew enough that this were personal. But I'd totally TAKE it personally too. *sigh* Job searching is very, very rough. And knowing that you *need* the job simply compounds the already incredible pressure.

*thinks good thoughts* ...
Tyellastyellas on June 20th, 2006 10:47 pm (UTC)
*hugses* The time has come for the Career Aiding Advice That Worked For Me:

Have you thought about seeing a career counsellor?

I wouldn't recommend this if I hadn't had a suprisingly positive experience. When I was trying to crack the Wellington job market, I was having some difficulties. I looked into a few career counsellors, and I found someone from Wellington who visited where I was living periodically. I paid her $150 for a two-hour consultation and we went through Exactly What I Was Doing Wrong And How To Fix It. I changed how I was customising my resumes, how I dressed for interviews, and how I was answering questions. I picked her brains thoroughly about what the market I was trying to break into was looking for, what kind of work was available, what I should emphasize and what I shouldn't touch with a barge pole. Things went much better from there.

Don't go to just any career counsellor; ask if they know your area's job market, and talk to them a little bit, to see if you like them or not. If someone's web site is egregiously annoying already, or if they try and push big expensive "life coaching" packages, you probably won't like them.
Elle: When the world won't listen to metheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 01:52 am (UTC)
I have actually been seeing a career counselor since soon after I got here. It's thanks to him that I've gotten as far as I have with networking. He whipped my resume into shape and taught me how to network, which I was clueless about before.

I'm glad I went to him, but I'm still finding it impossible to get anything. I get a little bit ahead, and think the worst is behind me, but then I fall back.
cianconnell: cianconnell on June 20th, 2006 11:03 pm (UTC)
Dude, sucks.


I feel like I have no right to complain, since I *have* a job, but my HR dude just screwed me royally and I'm feeling the stretch marks. He just switched my payroll to an outside contractor without my knowledge or consent or, really, any forewarning. I just lost my 401K-matching plan...my company-paid life insurance...my 12 weeks of paid time off throught the FMLA. He thought he could just do it, cause we use my husband's benefits, and on paper it looked like the only thing I'd lose was my dependent daycare FSA, which we could switch to my husband's employment, citing my change of employment as a change of circumstances.

*is fuming*

I've been on e-mail and on the phone with corporate and local all day. At the end of this...my status is still changed, I've lost 5+ years of aquired benefits...and their...um...sympathy...and acknowledgement that HR guy is a lazy dickhead, who never thought anything through.

Great. That and a quarter can buy me a gumball.

Sorry to whine, but your whining post caught me on a day that I've been mostly in tears.

Like I asked maudgonne, does your law school perhaps have a reciprocal agreement with another school in the area? Or even your university. When I first moved to Atlanta, it was fantastic that I was able to use Emory's resources.

Or maybe not. Since it led to this abomination!

Good luck. I join the others with the headscratching about not finding a position, but agree that it's probably the length of time between employment, which probably has you at a disadvantage.

Such a suck Catch-22!

I'd totally hire you in my non-traditional lawyer-employment setting, where people's benefits aren't just "cut-the-fuck-off" for no apparent reason, and right after a week of 12+ hour/per day work keeping the damned paper a fucking afloat!...but that's just me. And means nothing, apparently.
Elle: Please not againtheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 01:56 am (UTC)
I've been crying off and on all day too. I don't think it's the time of unemployment-- my career counselor helped me gloss that over. As far as I can tell, it's HR people not having their shit together and filling jobs. Or it's the jobmakers who interview me for jobs they intend to create, then never get around to doing so.

I think you should totally hire me in your sucky job. That way I will at least have money, if not benefits. Assholes. (Them, who cut you off.)
lizzyjitlizzyjit on June 20th, 2006 11:58 pm (UTC)
Aw babe. I've been there, believe me I have. I'd list with multiple agencies first off. And I don't know if you're still looking for legal jobs, but make sure you check both the listings on law jobs and then the websites of the company's doing the listings. There's often more on the website.
Elle: Weeptheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 01:58 am (UTC)
In Orlando, there is only one legal temp agency. And I don't know where else to go for temp jobs. If I end up doing admin work again, I will kill myself. I'm not going back to $8/hr and people praising me for getting the stapling done faster than average.

Georgetown Fucking Law School, y'all. When I got accepted there, I thought my life was set. God, how I wish I never went.
lizzyjitlizzyjit on June 21st, 2006 02:04 am (UTC)
Word. I mean, my degree's still hooking me up but during the down period it was like I was overqualified for fucking everything temp and could not get a break to save my damn life.

Now, I have a dream, but I will let you have it if you want cause I know you're down. My dream, post burnout, was to get a job as a bank teller and then work a couple nights a week in a sex toys shop, you know, just to supplement my income and for the discounts. I intend to work the drive thru window and I will have a bowl of dog biscuits, and for all of the cars with dogs in them, I will send biscuits in the tube. And I can also smile knowingly at the people who I recognize from the shop. It's win-win.

Also, you're in Orlando. Surely somebody's looking for a Snow White at Disney. :)

Seriously, though, I have been "backstage" at Disney World and it is fantastic. I'd say check Disney corporate for legal jobs, but I think I'm supposed to be boycotting them, but I can't remember why. I'm such a bad dyke. Just ask those men I sleep with.
Elle: Sarah Connortheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 05:23 pm (UTC)
Hee hee hee. I would so not be a Snow White. I'd be Ariel. She was such a slut.

The problem with legal jobs is that I don't have the Florida bar. At this point, I'd have to wait till February, and wouldn't find out till May.

Your dream is an awesome dream. :) But it is not mine. I think if I can't find anything, I'm going to have to start a custom wedding dress business out of my home. At least I have a home that's all pretty and old-fashioned and can be arranged to have an office.

Ha ha. Worst dyke EVAR. :)
DarkRiver: cutesmolder on June 21st, 2006 12:25 am (UTC)
I got nothing but hugs and lots of love.
Elle: Darkness and fears to appeasetheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 02:03 am (UTC)
*cuddles into you*
Let go Let go Let Really go: a line will take us hours maybe - by cermaudgonne on June 21st, 2006 02:20 am (UTC)
Maybe we'll be unemployed together. Except I totally will take admin jobs if I have to, or temp jobs or whatever. I have to survive! But it definitely, totally sucks.

I hate the job hunt.
Elle: Naked prisonertheletterelle on June 21st, 2006 05:24 pm (UTC)
It is evil evil evil.

People should recognize our awesomeness and hire us for its sheer power.
Johnflirtaciousj on June 21st, 2006 02:57 am (UTC)
*hugs* This, too, shall pass ... *more hugs*